Only evidence necessary to support this award will be summarized. Any objections not expressly ruled on during the hearing or in this award are now overruled. Certain exhibits offered into evidence may contain handwritten markings, underlining and/or highlighting on portions of the documents. Any such markings on the exhibits were present at the time they were offered by the parties. Further, any such notes, markings and/or highlights had no impact on any ruling in this case.
Claimant offered the following exhibits into evidence:
A. Deposition of Raymond F. Cohen, D.O.
B. Deposition of Jay L. Liss, M.D. of May 6, 2005
C. Compilation of medical records
D. Deposition of David T. Volarich, D.O.
E. Deposition of Jay L. Liss, M.D. of January 22, 2010
F. Division of Workers' Compensation file for Injury Number 83-56884
G. Dr. William Fritz, M.D. medical records
H. St. Anthony's Medical Center medical records
I. Dr. Robert Bernardi M.D. medical records
J. Barnes Jewish West County Hospital medical records
K. Dr. John Ferguson M.D. medical records
M. Richard Slusarski, M.S.W. reports
N. Dr. Peter Mirkin, M.D. and Dr. John Graham M.D. medical records
Exhibits A, B, and C were received into evidence by ALJ Dinwiddie at the hardship hearing, all parties consent to those exhibits being received into evidence in this hearing.
Exhibits D through N listed above were all received into evidence without objection. Exhibit L was withdrawn by Claimant and is not a part of the record.
Employer offered the following exhibits into evidence:
- Deposition of R. Peter Mirkin, M.D.
- Deposition of Edwin D. Wolfgram, M.D. of May 12, 2005
- Deposition of Steve Brunjes
- Deposition of Edwin D. Wolfgram, M.D. of April 27, 2010
- Deposition of Bob Hammond
- Job search list of Claimant
Exhibits 1, 2, and 3 were received into evidence by ALJ Dinwiddie at the hardship hearing, all parties consent to those exhibits being received into evidence in this hearing. Exhibits 4 through 6 listed above were all received into evidence without objection.
The Second Injury Fund offered the following exhibits into evidence:
I. Deposition of James England
II. Deposition of Danny Venable
Exhibit I was received into evidence without objection. Exhibit II was received into evidence over the objection of Claimant.
Claimant testified at trial. He was born on August 6, 1959 and is currently fifty years of age. He is six feet tall and he weighs 270 pounds. At the time of the accident on July 21, 2003 he weighed 250 pounds. He completed school through the eleventh grade and then obtained a GED approximately three years later. He has never served in the military. He has been married to his wife Debbie for thirty-three years.
Claimant testified that his current medications include medications for diabetes, high blood pressure and depression. The medications are prescribed by Dr. Polites, who has been his family doctor for about one and a half years. Prior to that his family doctor was Dr. Fritz.
Claimant testified regarding his work history. He had worked as a fork lift driver for seven years. He then worked at a lumber company and drove a log skidder and a fork lift. He then worked for a clothing manufacturer and operated a machine. He then worked in the Gulf of Mexico as a commercial diver laying pipeline and setting platforms. He then worked as an iron worker. He first started working as an iron worker in approximately 1993 or 1994 and he worked as an iron worker up until his accident on July 21, 2003. He had worked as an iron worker for approximately 9 years. He worked out of the union hall for several different employers. He testified that he had never performed any desk jobs and had never worked as an administrator or manager. He testified that all his prior jobs involved physical labor and were considered heavy.
Claimant testified that he was working at St. Louis Bridge for about one and a half years before his accident. He helped to build bridges and he performed iron working. He welded,
burned and set steel. He testified this was heavy work. He earned $\ 27 an hour and worked about 40 hours a week.
Claimant testified that he had a prior back injury while working for H.D. Lee Jean Company. He picked up a bundle of jeans and ruptured a disc. He had pain in his low back and down his right leg. He testified that he received treatment and underwent surgery with Dr. Tsang in Springfield, Missouri. Thereafter, he filed a workers' compensation claim which settled. He testified that after he recovered from his surgery, he had residual stiffness of 20 % in his back, but not much pain. He testified that he was able to return to work full duty and thereafter did not miss work because of his back. He was not taking any medications for his back leading up to the 2003 injury.
Claimant testified that on the date of accident, an expansion joint rolled on him and he went to lift it off and had immediate complaints of low back pain. He testified the expansion joint weighed approximately 1700 pounds. He testified that he knew right away that he was hurt. He had pain in his low back and in the upcoming days and weeks he developed numbness in his right leg.
Claimant testified that he was initially seen for treatment at an urgent care center and was subsequently seen by a Company doctor at Unity Corporate Health. He then underwent an MRI, and then Dr. Peter Mirkin took over his care. Dr. Mirkin initially recommended physical therapy and he underwent a steroid injection in his back by Dr. Graham. Dr. Mirkin then recommended surgery which took place on September 30, 2003 at St. Anthony's Medical Center. The surgery consisted of a fusion of his bottom three vertebra and included a bone graft from his hip. He testified that following the surgery he developed severe neck pain. He testified that he told his doctors about his neck pain and they ran some tests. He was eventually released from further care by Dr. Mirkin. He testified that he underwent some physical therapy, including work therapy. In March, 2004, he was released to return to work with a permanent forty pound lifting restriction.
Claimant testified that his weekly TTD checks stopped as of March 8, 2004, and thereafter he did not apply for unemployment. He testified that he contacted his employer, but was told that they had no work available within his restrictions. He testified that he contacted his union, but they had nothing for him as well. He testified that he receives a union disability.
Claimant testified that when he was released he was sent by his attorney to see Dr. Cohen. He then began seeing Dr. Fritz, who treated his depression, pain and diabetes. He testified that he subsequently saw Dr. Ferguson in Springfield, in November, 2004. He testified that Dr. Ferguson recommended additional physical therapy for him. He testified that he was then seen by Dr. Liss and Dr. Wolfgram. He testified that Dr. Wolfgram recommended aqua therapy.
Claimant testified that there was a previous trial on May 20, 2005 and that the Judge subsequently ordered psychiatric care. He testified that he then received treatment with Mr. Slusarski, who came to his house. He saw Mr. Slusarski for about nine visits. He testified that the treatment was not helpful. Claimant testified that aqua therapy was offered to him at ProRehab in Fenton, Missouri, but he lives in St. Clair, Missouri, about thirty-five miles away, so he did not go to the aqua therapy.
Claimant testified that he received a vocational evaluation by James England. He subsequently was seen by Dr. Bernardi for his neck. He saw Dr. Volarich. He received another vocational evaluation by Bob Hammond.
Claimant testified that he sees Dr. Polites about once every three months. He testified that his current source of income is his iron workers' disability and social security disability.
Claimant testified that he has constant pain and he is up all night long. He has pain in both legs. He is unable to bend over. He is unable to squat and get back up. He is unable to walk very long. He can't run. He testified that prior to the 2003 accident he was able to bowl, water ski and jog. He testified that he does not walk his dogs. He is able to walk about 150 to 200 feet. He no longer bowls or plays softball. He still goes fishing about one to two times a year. He testified that he lives on the Meramec River. He is still able to hunt. He only deer hunts about one to two times a year. When he deer hunts, he will drive into a field and wait. He testified that he continues to cut grass and has three riding lawn mowers. He testified that he is a member of the First Baptist Church and he attends church once a week.
Claimant testified that he watches around 15 to 16 hours of television a day. He testified that he is able to lift a gallon of milk without any problem with his left arm. He has low back pain. He testified that he is moody and angry. He testified that he hollers at his wife and his grandkids get on his nerves. He testified that he is groggy on his mediations and he has concentration problems. He testified that he does not like to read. He testified that prior to the 2003 accident everyone liked him and now he has no friends because they do not like his mood and call him grouchy.
Claimant testified that he has contacted construction companies and stores about possible employment. He testified that he contacted about fifty employers. He testified that the iron work companies told him that he was too disabled or that they were not hiring.
Ms. Debra Venable testified on behalf of Claimant. She testified that she has been married to Claimant for thirty-three years. She testified that he recovered well after his 1983 accident and thereafter he had no personality changes. She testified that since the 2003 accident, things have gone downhill. She testified that her husband argues all the time. All he does is sleep and watch television with the volume turned up loudly. She testified that her husband was not rude before the 2003 accident. Prior to the 2003 accident, he was fun-loving, easy-going and he sang. Now, she testified that he sits in a recliner chair. He gets up very crabby, does his blood sugar and watches television. He walks around the house and does not do any chores. She testified that he does trim the edges of the lawn.
Dr. David Volarich testified by deposition on behalf of Claimant on January 8, 2010 (Exhibit D). Dr. Volarich diagnosed a disk herniation at L5-S1 to the right with aggravation of preexisting postoperative changes at L4-5 causing right leg radiculopathy, status post revision laminectomies at L4-5 and L5-S1 with fusion, instrumentation and bone grafting from L4-5 through S1; postlaminectomy syndrome; and postoperative fluid collection at L4-5 posteriorly, resolved. Dr. Volarich testified that the July 21, 2003 event was a substantial and the prevailing
factor in causing those diagnoses. Dr. Volarich also diagnosed preexisting herniated nucleus pulposus L4-5, causing right leg radiculopathy, status post laminectomy and discectomy with decompression of both the L4-5 and L5-S1 levels on the right; and adjustment disorder with depression.
Dr. Volarich rated Claimant at 60 % of the whole body at the lumbosacral spine due to the disk herniation at L5-S1 to the right and aggravation of preexisting L4-5 prior surgical repair and the degenerative disc disease and degenerative joint disease that required two-level posterior laminectomy, discectomy and fusion with instrumentation. The rating accounted for this injury's contribution to Claimant's back pain, lost motion and ongoing lower extremity radicular symptoms and complaints of weakness, particularly to the right leg.
Dr. Volarich opined Claimant had preexisting 15\% PPD rated at the lumbosacral spine due to the historic laminectomy and discectomy at L4-5 with exploration of the L5-S1 disk space. The rating accounted for Claimant's preexisting symptoms of stiffness and occasional soreness in the back without radicular symptoms. Claimant also had disability as a result of his depression, but Dr. Volarich deferred to psychiatric evaluation for that assessment. Dr. Volarich testified that Claimant was permanently and totally disabled as a direct result of his work-related injuries of July 21, 2003 in combination with his preexisting lumbar syndrome, and that Claimant was totally disabled absent his complaints referable to the cervical spine. Dr. Volarich specifically testified that the last injury in and of itself would not, absent the preexisting conditions, be sufficient to make Claimant totally disabled. Dr. Volarich noted that Claimant's back was in a compromised state from his prior back surgery. Further, Claimant had preexisting degenerative disc disease, degenerative joint disease, postoperative changes and scarring that all predisposed the 2003 injury to cause much more problems, had it not been for those preexisting conditions.
Dr. Volarich thought that Claimant would need future medical care as a result of the July 21, 2003 injury. Regarding the need for future medical treatment, Dr. Volarich testified to the following:
Q (By Mr. Keefe) Within reasonable medical certainty, do you feel that Mr. Venable will require future medical care as a result of the 7/21/03 work injury?
A Yes.
Q What medical care do you recommend for him?
A I recommend that he continue with medications to control his back pain syndrome. When I saw him, he was not taking anything. He told me he couldn't afford any medication at the time. But over-the-counter nonsteroidals would be a benefit to help control some of his symptoms. I also felt that he'd benefit from treatments at a pain clinic to help control his lumbar radicular syndrome. Epidural steroid injections, foraminal nerve root blocks, trigger point injections, TENS units, and similar treatments would all help those conditions. I thought he needed to be treated for his depression as well.
Q The workers' compensation law requires that the need for future care be probable rather than just possible. Could you explain to the judge your
opinion as to whether future medical care is a possibility for Mr. Venable or whether it is a probability?
A I think it's a high probability. He has postlaminectomy syndrome, which means that he still has significant complaints even after his fusion. He still has back pain, he still has radicular symptoms, paresthesias, weakness, etc. He will require additional care.
Dr. R. Peter Mirkin testified by deposition on behalf of Employer and Insurer on May 18, 2005 (Exhibit 1). Dr. Mirkin performed a fusion surgery on Claimant on September 30, 2003. Dr. Mirkin testified there were no complications during the surgery. Dr. Mirkin testified that Claimant did well after the surgery and was started on a physical therapy program. Postoperative x-rays confirmed a solid fusion. Dr. Mirkin testified that Claimant told him that he did not think he was going to go back to full work. Dr. Mirkin recommended some conditioning therapy and then a functional capacity evaluation (FCE). Dr. Mirkin testified he was feeling that Claimant would very likely be able to return to work as an ironworker, but it depended on Claimant's motivation. Dr. Mirkin further testified that during the course of treatment of Claimant, there was no indication that Claimant was having problems with depression. Dr. Mirkin testified that the FCE showed that Claimant could work in the medium capacity, which is forty to fifty pounds of lifting. The FCE reported that Claimant nearly met the requirements for full duty in his current job based on the employer's job requirements. The FCE indicated that Claimant may have had some symptom magnification behavior. Dr. Mirkin then imposed a permanent restriction of forty pounds and released Claimant from his care. Dr. Mirkin assessed Claimant with 10\% PPD secondary to the July 21, 2003 incident. Dr. Mirkin thought Claimant had 15\% PPD secondary to his preexisting surgery and some degenerative changes partially as a result of that surgery.
Dr. Liss testified initially on behalf of Claimant on May 6, 2005 (Exhibit B). Dr. Liss diagnosed major depression. Dr. Liss felt that Claimant was totally disabled, but that his condition could improve with treatment. Dr. Liss testified that Claimant was in need of medical intervention and psychiatric care. Dr. Liss testified that based on chronology, the depression has to be related to his pain, because it occurred afterwards and was a major part of his disability. Dr. Liss noted that Claimant did not have any major psychiatric treatment, illness or history before his injury. Dr. Liss saw no evidence that Claimant would be malingering or exaggerating his symptoms. Dr. Liss noted that Claimant's depression was worsening and the prognosis was not good for a full recovery or valid success with treatment. Dr. Liss testified that depression is treatable.
Dr. Liss testified again on behalf of Claimant on January 22, 2010 (Exhibit E). Dr. Liss diagnosed major depression and post trauma stress disorder. Dr. Liss testified that the July 21, 2003 accident at work was a substantial cause as well as a prevailing factor in causing Claimant's major depression and his posttraumatic stress. Dr. Liss felt that Claimant was unable to work. Regarding permanent disability, Dr. Liss testified on direct examination as follows:
Q In light of Mr. Venable's posttraumatic stress and his depression, can he work?
A No, sir.
Q What prevents him from working?
A Well, these two illnesses not only interfere with his ability to persist at a job and his physical problems to persist at a job, they affect his intellectual abilities; his cognitive functioning, his memory and concentration. He would be dangerous in any type of job that would go back to his previous job, and he couldn't do anything at a desk type of job.
Dr. Liss testified that there is no treatment for post trauma stress disorder. Dr. Liss testified that depression can be modified, but not cured. Dr. Liss testified that Claimant can be helped somewhat with medication and some counseling, but not to any level of enjoyment of life or functioning because of the severity of the illness. Dr. Liss indicated that Claimant needed to be on medication. Nonetheless, Dr. Liss testified that psychiatric treatment was not really going to have much of an effect at this point on Claimant's psychiatric condition. He said, once you have depression, you always have it.
Dr. Wolfgram initially testified on behalf of Employer and Insurer on May 12, 2005 (Exhibit 2). Dr. Wolfgram diagnosed Claimant with adjustment disorder with depressed mood and anxiety; pain disorder associated with psychological factors; nicotine dependence; and alcohol dependence, now in remission. Dr. Wolfgram did not include a diagnosis of malingering, however, he felt that Claimant was exaggerating his symptoms for monetary gain, because of the litigation. Dr. Wolfgram testified that malingering would mean purposely deceitful in pursuit of secondary gain. Dr. Wolfgram testified that Claimant was a likeable guy, but it would be understandable if there was some feeling that the worse he did the more injured he would be and there was some cultivation of that on Claimant's part. Dr. Wolfgram further testified that Claimant did very well in therapy, but that he saw Claimant as not continuing to move forward, and Dr. Wolfgram was concerned that the litigation had something to do with that. Dr. Wolfgram testified that the July 21, 2003 accident played a role in all of the physical conditions. Dr. Wolfgram further testified that Claimant's diagnoses had no particular affect such that Claimant had any disablement due to the psychiatric problems. There was no permanent partial disability or partial temporary disability that would reach levels of clinical significance. Dr. Wolfgram testified that none of the diagnoses, the depressed mood and the pain were disabling, not even of a temporary nature. Dr. Wolfgram testified that he thought Claimant was at MMI as of the 2/25/04 physical therapy report. Dr. Wolfgram testified that Claimant's diagnoses were temporary and amenable to treatment. Dr. Wolfgram testified that Claimant needed physical activity. Dr. Wolfgram proposed aqua aerobics, which would be much better for Claimant's back. Dr. Wolfgram noted that termination of litigation would be helpful. Dr. Wolfgram did not feel that pain medications or antidepressants were necessary. Dr. Wolfgram further testified that Claimant would benefit from counseling along with a physical therapy program. Dr. Wolfgram felt that Claimant was a very favorable candidate. Dr. Wolfgram testified that the July 21, 2003 accident would not be a substantial factor in the need for any treatment from a psychiatric point of view.
Dr. Wolfgram testified again by deposition on behalf of Employer and Insurer on April 27, 2010 (Exhibit 4). Dr. Wolfgram testified that he initially saw Claimant on March 29, 2005. That evaluation was the subject of Dr. Wolfgram's previous deposition of May 12, 2005. Following the March 29, 2005 evaluation, Dr. Wolfgram saw Claimant again on November 15, 2005. Dr. Wolfgram testified that at that time, he was invited to participate in Claimant's care,
but he did not accept that position. Dr. Wolfgram testified that he felt that Claimant was nonparticipatory and that he could not effectively treat him. Dr. Wolfgram noted that Claimant had abandoned all responsibility for his own medical care. Dr. Wolfgram testified that he then reviewed additional materials two years later on November 9, 2007. At that point, Dr. Wolfgram concluded that Claimant did not have a psychiatric condition of a significant nature. Dr. Wolfgram indicated that Claimant had many problems that were a consideration of treatment, but these were problems that had actually started at the age of 30. Dr. Wolfgram testified that he then met with Claimant again on March 25, 2010. Dr. Wolfgram reviewed additional materials and noted there was no remarkable change from the new additional material. Dr. Wolfgram diagnosed Claimant with nicotine dependence; maladaptive health behaviors affecting general medical condition; adjustment disorder with depressed mood and anxiety; and pain disorder associated with psychological factors. Dr. Wolfgram further testified that he considered the possibility of malingering.
Dr. Wolfgram found that there was no permanent partial psychiatric disability, no permanent total psychiatric disability and no temporary psychiatric disability related to the work injury. Dr. Wolfgram noted that there were all kinds of problems, but they were not related to the work injury. Rather, they preexisted and were ongoing. Dr. Wolfgram further testified that the work injury did not contribute to work restrictions or the need for psychiatric treatment. Dr. Wolfgram did recommend physical rehabilitation and termination of litigation. Dr. Wolfgram acknowledged that five years ago when he diagnosed adjustment disorder with depressed mood and anxiety, he recommended treatment for Claimant. Now, five years later, Dr. Wolfgram acknowledged that the treatment certainly had not worked and now there was a deep entrenchment in the litigation process. Dr. Wolfgram noted that he was still hopeful for Claimant, but right now, there was a big problem and that was Claimant's view because of the litigation. Dr. Wolfgram acknowledged that Claimant's condition was so bad that it precluded land based and thus weight bearing activities. Dr. Wolfgram conceded that someone who is in such poor shape that they cannot do weight bearing or land based activities is not likely to be able to work at very many jobs in that condition. Dr. Wolfgram testified that Claimant has had all of these problems since the age of 30. In that regard, Dr. Wolfgram opined that the back injury was not a significant event.
Dr. Wolfgram reiterated that the work injury did not cause Claimant to have a psychiatric illness or condition. Dr. Wolfgram admits that Claimant did suffer from a condition as a result of the work injury, but only as it focused on the issues of treatment. Dr. Wolfgram opined that it was not permanent. Dr. Wolfgram testified that Claimant's need for psychiatric treatment does not arise from the work injury, as these issues preexisted the work injury, and there was no doubt about that. Dr. Wolfgram acknowledged that Claimant was not ready to go back to the workforce yet.
The deposition of Bob Hammond was taken on behalf of the Employer and Insurer on April 23, 2010 (Exhibit 5). Mr. Hammond is a vocational consultant. Mr. Hammond was asked to identify whether Claimant had the physical attributes and transferable skills to perform work and to identify what that work would be. Mr. Hammond reviewed medical records and other documents. Mr. Hammond met with Claimant and subsequently performed a transferable skills analysis. Mr. Hammond testified that he identified some direct and indirect transferable skills
that would allow Claimant to return to employment. The direct transferability skills included Claimant's knowledge of the welding industry, soldering, any work with welding materials, welding activities, any precision work, and skills in fabrication. Mr. Hammond identified jobs of repairer, electronics assembler, and bench worker as falling within Claimant's direct transferable skills. Mr. Hammond testified that indirect transferable skills were at either entry level or above entry level and that Claimant could perform a wide variety of things at light duty, such as cashiering activities, parking lot attendant, security guard, telephone answerer, or telemarketer positions.
Mr. Hammond opined that if one assumed the sedentary capacity, that Claimant would be able to perform bench assembly, assembly of lighting, semiconductor bonder, or semiconductor inspector. If he assumed Claimant could work at a higher level, then he could perform light duty activities such as security guard, some soldering activities, welding inspecting, some bench welding and bench assembly positions that would involve running a mechanized welder and a mechanized cutter. Mr. Hammond acknowledged that he relied on Dr. Wolfgram's opinion in part in forming his opinion that Claimant could work. He relied on his understanding that Dr. Wolfgram stated that Claimant had no mental health issues interfering with work.
The deposition of James England was taken on behalf of the Second Injury Fund on May 3, 2010 (Exhibit I). Mr. England testified that he met with Claimant one time back in January, 2007. Mr. England testified that Claimant cooperated and seemed pleasant and he did not notice any particular signs of discomfort. Mr. England testified that Claimant did not have to get up and move around. Mr. England further testified that for some reason, Claimant would not look right at him and avoided eye contact. Mr. England further noted that Claimant sat for around 45 minutes before they started testing, which was inconsistent with the amount of time that Claimant had estimated that he could sit. Mr. England gave Claimant the reading and math portions of the Wide Range Achievement Test and Claimant scored at the post-high school level on reading and at the $8^{\text {th }}$ grade level on math. Mr. England testified that Claimant had gone through aqua therapy at ProRehab. Claimant told Mr. England that his primary pain was in his shoulder and neck, along with weakness in the right arm going out into the hand. Claimant also had some right leg spasms in his calf at night. Claimant told Mr. England that his low back would get sore if he bent over too much. Claimant complained to Mr. England of numbness in both feet and indicated it was hard for him to reach overhead with his right arm. Claimant told Mr. England that he normally gets up to move after about five minutes of sitting, but that Claimant appeared to able to sit for about 45 minutes to an hour in Mr. England's office. Mr. England opined that looking at the restrictions from the doctors that Claimant would not be able to go back to being an ironworker, because that does require more than a medium level of exertion and that was the highest level that was approved by any of the doctors. However, just assuming the results of the FCE or the restrictions of Dr. Mirkin, then Claimant would be able to perform a pretty wide variety of work up through the medium level of exertion, which would encompass about 90 % of the jobs.
Mr. England further testified that even looking at the recommendations of Dr. Cohen, there would still be some kinds of sedentary to light, unskilled entry-level service employment that would allow him flexibility of moving about through the day such as security work, some kinds of cashiering, and customer service. Mr. England further opined that if Claimant could do
medium work, then forklift operation, which is something he had done in the past would be a possibility. Mr. England testified that the only way that he could conclude that Claimant was totally unable to work would be to consider the psychiatric limitations rather than the physical ones, as indicated by Dr. Liss. Mr. England then opined that if what Dr. Volarich indicated was correct, particularly the restriction that indicated the need to get into a recumbent fashion during the day, then Claimant would not be able to work. Mr. England is not aware of any jobs in the open labor market where the need to lie down exists. Mr. England also noted that Dr. Volarich recommended quite a few restrictions which were felt to preexist the 2003 injury; however, if Claimant had followed those restrictions, there is no way Claimant could have done ironwork. Mr. England noted that this seemed inconsistent with the fact that Claimant was able to do quite a bit beyond those recommended restrictions before the 2003 injury, or he would not have been able to be an ironworker. Mr. England testified that Dr. Liss' updated report did not really change things, because it was pretty much what he said in the first report. Mr. England testified that it was his understanding that Dr. Wolfgram felt that Claimant was capable of working, but if Dr. Wolfgram did not feel Claimant was capable of working, that could change his opinions.